Notes for Chat with Traders, Episode 116

Added on by C. Maoxian.

Episode 116 ... Sean Hendelman (65:44)

Good episode ... Hendelman "bursts a lot of bubbles," but he's right on the money, knows of what he speaks.

  • University of Michigan grad
  • Got an MBA at Stern (NYU)
  • Sounds like a New Yorker
  • Started on mortgage-backed securities desk
  • Greenwich Capital Markets
  • 1999 decided to start a trading business
  • Started with $50,000, lost within 3-4 months
  • Kept at it
  • Took him 18 months to get good
  • Founded Nexus Capital (2003) -- 40 traders [like an arcade?]
  • Read a lot of Peter Lynch in high school
  • Interested in trading in 1993-1994, while in high school
  • Worked as tennis instructor at country club, made good money (15K a summer)
  • Bought names he liked (Peter Lynch advice): DELL CSCO MSFT ORCL 
  • Put all his tennis money ($5-$10K) in each of above stocks, made massive money during dot com bubble
  • Luckily took all money out before bubble burst and bought NYC apartment, turned cash poor
  • Thought he was a genius
  • Made six figures at Greenwich Capital, which was good, able to save
  • Expensive to learn how to trade
  • SDLI QCOM, buying thousand share lots [Only old guys remember symbols like SDLI, JDSU :)]
  • Started hedge fund in 2002-2003, stat arb fund, broke even, expensive to run 
  • Running $15MM, not enough to make it work, too many expenses
  • First $50K loss was a great first learning experience
  • Not a math guy, not a programmer, doesn't know C++
  • Backs 25% of traders in his firm on prop side, other 3/4 self-fund
  • Traders in his firm have all kinds of styles
  • T3 name of his firm
  • T3 has 1,000 active accounts
  • Has two broker-dealers, one prop, one retail
  • Need series 57 license to use prop broker-dealer
  • T3 makes money on commissions, interest, profit splits
  • T3 only caters to active traders, competes with IB and TradeStation
  • Holdbacks and payouts of the trader's capital
  • Not focused on futures or forex -- don't understand, too much leverage
  • T3 can't spend enough money on infrastructure to compete with HFTs anymore
  • Co-location of servers, routing, data, compliance, best of the best programmers -- all expensive
  • T3's HFT successful 2004 to 2014, now much harder
  • HFT very crowded now
  • Hudson River, Virtu hired lots of people, built big organizations
  • T3 takes liquidity, no passive orders
  • 99% of all bids and offers aren't real [yes, I've found this too]
  • Flashing and spoofing very common
  • HFT never take liquidity at size, would show their hand
  • No more low hanging fruit in high frequency trading
  • Scott Redler his partner, "Red Dog Reversal," lives highly structured life
  • Everything gets priced in very quickly now
  • Medium frequency strategies also being priced in very quickly
  • Medium frequency not as expensive, no need for co-location, etc.
  • Medium frequency traders' success rates very low
  • Most don't understand market impact or slippage (+commissions)
  • Never backtest, always forward test, use 100 shares, take a few thousand trades, will have realistic market impact data
  • Tiny number of medium frequency guys successful and when they are, profits only last a short time [I'm sure he's right]
  • CalTech MIT guys are already exploiting every obvious edge
  • There are no edges out there ... they have better tech and programmers than you
  • Your ideas aren't good enough, someone else already tried and discarded them long ago
  • Your ideas after market impact, commissions, paying the spread, won't make money
  • Best black box traders are constantly changing, evolving strategies
  • 1 in 20 smart traders who try to automate things succeed
  • Medium frequency is the same as an active trader
  • Will take you a long time and lots of capital to even test your ideas
  • Double your commissions and slippage estimates
  • Good strategy might have 50% success rate after six months and tweaking
  • T3 has 50 strategies running live
  • Laughs when people say they didn't run their strategy with real money
  • Successful hand traders' pattern recognition still ahead of black boxes
  • Momentum traders (buying and selling within minutes) going away, black boxes taken all the profits away
  • Good traders don't get excited when they make money
  • No emotion with a black box, faster than humans, can prepare well in advance
  • Best business advice: Change. Adapt. Don't be afraid to make mistakes. Money in, money out -- positive cash flow   
  • Best trading advice: Risk management, emotions in check.  Preparation.
  • Best traders are in the office earliest, reading, adapting to the market
  • Don't try to beat the market, you're never going to do it
  • www.t3live.com