Notes for Chat with Traders, Episode 129

Added on by C. Maoxian.

Episode 129 ... Victor Haghani (42:49)

  • Father was a goods trader (Sephardic Jew born in Iran?)
  • Went to University in London (LSE)
  • His dad said go for the less bureaucratic firm (why he chose Salomon over JP Morgan)
  • John Merriwether asked him to become a trader, government bonds arb desk
  • Youngest trader on the desk
  • He had been in fixed income research at Salomon Brothers
  • Merriwether left Salomon in 1992, Haghani left in late 1992 ... founded LTCM
  • Started LTCM's London office
  • Worked for 13 bank consortium after LTCM failed in 1998 ... helped liquidate portfolio
  • JWM Partners hedge fund ... also helped start that
  • Founded Elm Partners five years ago ... "active index investing"
  • Lowenstein's "When Genius Failed" -- a good read, but not 100% accurate
  • Dunbar's book is also OK
  • Buy the Harvard Business School case studies on LTCM, by Andre Perold
  • We're a product of our experiences
  • Haghani wrote paper on biased coin flip
  • Gave 61 subjects (financial professionals) $25, coin biased 60% heads, could keep whatever they made after 30 minutes of flipping, capped at $250
  • [Sounds similar to Van Tharp's old experiment that he has given hundreds of times]
  • [Van Tharp gave subjects bag of ten marbles: Seven 1R losers, one 5R loser, two 10R winners. Subjects got 40 marble pulls and a $100,000 bankroll. Expectancy is 0.8R (positive) but most people end up broke because their bet size is too large and they revenge trade]   
  • People bet a lot on tails :-) ... usually after a streak of heads [laughing]
  • People believe random things have some sort of predictability (human experience versus math)
  • People got bored of betting on heads [laughing again]
  • 1/3 of people went bust betting on a 60:40 biased coin
  • 1/5 reached max payout ... kids who could flip really fast with smaller bet size mainly
  • 1/2 won $80
  • Using simple rule of only betting 15% of bankroll would give 95% chance of hitting max payout within 30 minutes
  • "Suboptimal behavior"
  • Nearly everyone voluntarily bet their whole stake at some point
  • Those all-in bets *always* happened after someone took a loss on an outsized bet, classic need to "get it back"
  • People who busted didn't want to talk about it
  • A whole range of bet sizes works (8 or 9% to 20%) to hit max payout within 30 minutes
  • Kelly Criterion number (optimal bet) was 20%
  • Optimal solution is very complicated, but just use heuristics (common sense)
  • Without the cap, expected value would be $3,000,000, 4% return on every flip (betting 20% of bankroll)
  • St. Petersburg Paradox ... expected value versus expected utility 
  • People won't bother to play even if they have positive expected payout
  • Have to understand your own risk aversion
  • Betting 50% gives negative expected utility (with 60:40 coin)
  • Bet sizing is not simple, not secondary ... it's incredibly important [I say it's *everything*]
  • LTCM trade sizing was all screwed up (position sizes were way too big)
  • Global equities should have a positive expected return above the risk-free rate or inflation, trouble is the Sharpe Ratio
  • Thorp inspired the coin-flipping experiment
  • Haghani believes there are some rare people who can beat the market, trouble is finding them, identifying them in time
  • Past returns are not indicative of future returns (because we don't have enough data)
  • How do you identify the biased coin after only 30 flips? You can't, it takes 143 flips
  • Need to find an investor or trader with 143 year track record 
  •  "I don't have very much on the wisdom front"
  • www.elmfunds.com
  • Not on Twitter, "haven't figured it out"