Notes for Chat with Traders, Episode 118

Added on by C. Maoxian.

Episode 118 ... Manoj Narang (58:47)

Sharp guy, interesting episode.

  • Has new fund: "MANA Partners"
  • Formerly of Tradeworx (left July 2015)
  • Quant trading the way to go
  • IP has more value than PL you can generate (does that make sense?)
  • Bringing high frequency trading to asset management investors
  • Double digit Sharpe ratios, most not comfortable with this
  • Started at First Boston, 1991, equity derivatives desk
  • Front office technologist supporting trading desk
  • 8-9 year career on Wall Street 
  • Knew nothing about Wall Street when in college
  • Never took a statistics class, finance class, economics class
  • Studied theoretical math and computer science (algorithms, graph theory)
  • Reasoning quantitatively and thinking logically are the key skills
  • Algorithmic trading is a quantitative challenge
  • At Goldman Sachs in late 90s, favorite job, phenomenally smart people
  • Trading manually back then was exhausting, nothing electronic
  • Burned out, wanted to start tech firm
  • Online brokerages to 40% market share in late 1990s, boom
  • Early adopter of Datek, 1996
  • Could build tools to help mainstream investors 
  • Started Tradeworx
  • "Analytical decision support tools"
  • 2001 -- Dot com bubble burst, 9/11 happened, everything changed 
  • Tradeworx became a hedge fund then
  • Why would a hedge fund commercialize its technology?
  • 2008 a difficult year for hedge funds, Lehman demise
  • Started high frequency trading in 2008
  • Eventually became a large high frequency trading firm by volume
  • Example of valuable IP: intraday trading signals, "MIDAS" bought by SEC to monitor markets
  • Early adopter of Amazon Web Services, tick data storage
  • Consolidated audit trail, successor of "OATS" owned by FINRA
  • Giving regulators investigative powers in modern, fragmented markets
  • Thesys, an offshoot of Tradeworx, won audit trail contract
  • Quantitative trading -- hypercompetitive, zero-sum
  • Paranoid conspiracy theories abound about high frequency trading
  • Inequality is a natural aspect of any system
  • Engineer systems to compete after studying the rules (which are complicated)
  • Questions of fairness, but it's really about discrepancies of skill [one way to rationalize it]
  • Simplify the regulatory regime, too many rules to understand
  • Proprietary traders are largest beneficiaries of HFT, then it trickles down
  • Fragmented markets glued together by HFT
  • Several dozen trading venues, both lit and dark
  • Quantitative investing strategies now very crowded
  • All quants use the same data, same inputs, so use of non-traditional data now key, such as:
  • Twitter firehose, e*commerce data now mined, satellite imagery
  • Discretionary managers not worth the fees they charge
  • If you charge high fees, must empirically show you deserve them, no one can
  • RenTech, successful quant hedge fund, all employee owned now, no outside money 
  • Secular trend towards mechanization, automation of investing process
  • Look for patterns in non-traditional data
  • Renaissance in artificial intelligence now, "machine learning"
  • Quantitative trading is tolerant of noise
  • Statistically orthogonal signals
  • Humans control the capital, not the quants
  • Quants have super short holding periods, generally
  • New datasets have very limited histories, so model building from them also limited
  • Investment success comes from bucking the trend
  • AQR, DE Shaw, RenTech ... you won't succeed if you try to copycat them
  • Think for yourself 
  • www.mana-partners.com