Notes for Chat with Traders, Episode 106

Added on by C. Maoxian.

Episode 106 ... Turney Duff (76:04)

  • Wrote a book called "The Buy Side" in 2013
  • Consulted on the TV show, "Billions," tries to make dialogue and situations more authentic
  • "A Story of Spectacular Excess" the subtitle of his book
  • Grew up in small town in Maine, wood-stove heated house, in the 1980s
  • Three older sisters, simple way of life
  • Went to Ohio University, journalism major, 970 SATs
  • January 1994 moved to NYC, $1,400 in the bank
  • Thought he'd get a job at a magazine
  • Thought Goldman Sachs was a fancy department store
  • Had an uncle (Tucker) in the business, got him 10 job interviews 
  • Had one suit from Filene's Basement
  • Interview at Lehman, saw the trading floor, reminded him of a casino, it was intense, he was hooked
  • Got an offer at Morgan Stanley, PCS, Private Client Services, sales assistant job
  • Lots of admin bullshit, but learned a ton, loved his job, there for five years
  • Bulk of clients were high net worth individuals ($10MM-$100MM)
  • [Duff has a great smoker's voice, wonder how many packs he smokes a day? Newports, he says]
  • Got a call from Galleon Group because they needed a sales assistant, they knew him from Happy Hour
  • $300MM hedge fund in 1999
  • "Expect to be fired every day; it's a good day if you're not"
  • Low man on the totem pole
  • Insider trading was the norm in 1999
  • First year Galleon up triple digits
  • Wouldn't take the time to get to know any new analyst since most would leave within two weeks
  • Gary Rosenback head of trading desk, #2 behind Raj Rajaratnam
  • David Slaine, "dream informant" ... took down 30+ people in insider trading scandal
  • Raj was happy-go-lucky, but capable of extreme wrath
  • Raj would create rivalries between two like individuals in the firm
  • Raj arrested Oct. 16, 2009, sentenced in 2011
  • Appease the public after Wall Street bailout by taking down insider trading rings
  • Galleon's phones were tapped
  • Drugs and alcohol consumed his life, he was "all about the party"
  • One and half year's into Galleon, went from assistant to head trader
  • Later went to Argus
  • He was good at gathering information, making new relationships
  • Take emotion out, you become a better trader
  • First big trade -- shorting Sepracor (buying puts) on generic Prozac news
  • Made a million in 20 minutes in Sepracor
  • Analyst told him hospitals don't hire nurses anymore, it's all contract work through staffing companies
  • Bought a slew of staffing companies, then told handful of buddies about the trade
  • Lots of upgrades, made a ton of money, made sellside guy a hero (he was ahead of the Street)
  • Fellow buyside buddies also made out -- general good cheer all around
  • 2003, he's 33 years old, doing  $50-$60MM a year in commissions, sellside anxious for a share of it
  • Sellside had unlimited expense accounts, any restaurant, any bar, any sporting event, any film festival, any private jet travel
  • Scoring drugs or hookers together with a broker is a bonding experience
  • Spend $10K on the kid [him] a couple of nights, it's worth a million in commissions
  • Do entertaining off the books, no paper trail
  • Thought if he had one more steak dinner or martini, he'd explode
  • Would buy 200,000 SPYs from someone just to get out of going to dinner with them
  • Life of the party, a fun guy 
  • First time he did cocaine, he was thrilled (but sensed it could become a problem), felt that good
  • Drugs, sex, money, alcohol, power -- all mixed into a cocktail that's hard to refuse
  • Took two years before he was using cocaine weekly, then later it became daily
  • Cocaine mainly came from sellside, only had to pay $200-$300 a week out of pocket
  • Hookers once a week, $400-$2,000
  • Born in 1969
  • "Black hole of addiction"
  • Oct. 2006 feigned mugging by throwing self into puddle until bloody to miss work without getting fired
  • Made $1.9MM in his biggest year
  • Made $10MM over seven year period, mostly bonuses
  • "Jump ball" -- 15% of bonus pool up for grabs
  • Went from Golden Boy to forced into rehab
  • Hungover you don't "pick up as many lights" (answering calls)
  • Doing cocaine, you can't sleep, you can't stop
  • "New York, the city that never sleeps. Miami, the city that can't sleep" 
  • Can never match high of first line, feel fantastic for 15 minutes
  • Can never get feeling back later no matter how much you snort
  • Stored his coke in his sock drawer
  • Had a daughter with his girlfriend
  • Lives in middle of Long Island now, two miles from daughter, sees her daily
  • Pays $1,300 a month in rent, just getting by, trying to stay sober
  • Fatburger investment of $1MM a zero
  • Bought house at peak in 2007, $2.1MM put in $500K more, sold for $1.2MM
  • His old Manhattan apartment was 2,700 sqft, paid $9,300 a month in rent
  • Basically pissed away all his money, "living like an asshole for many years"
  • Made $22,000 a year at Morgan Stanley, thought if he made $50,000 all his problems solved
  • When he made $2MM a year, thought if he made $3MM all his problems solved
  • Money makes life easier, not happier
  • Look at your intentions versus your actions [sounds like rehab talk]
  • www.turneyduff.com
  • Twitter: @turneyduff