Notes for Chat with Traders, Episode 71

Added on by C. Maoxian.

Episode 71 ... Eric Scott Hunsader (61:57)

  • Started programming in 1984
  • Programming then not offered in college, so he taught himself
  • Bought a book, C Primer Plus by Stephen Prata
  • Had written an oscillator in Lotus 1-2-3 spreadsheet 
  • Still uses C to this day
  • Used to read the Wall Street Journal, fascinated by that world
  • Traded for two and half years, made enough to live and buy more computers
  • Developed a love for writing software
  • Would always second-guess his trading system
  • Focused on writing code and quit trading
  • Used to use floppy disc to archive data
  • Sold that data online (long before the Internet)
  • 1989, Tom Joseph's [of Advanced GET fame] company called Trading Techniques was a data customer, hired Hunsader
  • Had real-time streaming charts using Compaq computer and a cellphone modem brick
  • CQG bought Trading Techniques and Hunsader worked for them
  • Three years later the Internet came along
  • Internet Revolution was obvious to him 
  • CQG cold to Hunsader's idea of internet-based real-time streaming charting application
  • Hunsader left and did it himself, wrote Java application called Livecharts, and desktop application called Qcharts
  • Quote.com saw Hunsader's programs and gave him a bunch of stock for the software
  • Within 18 months to two years went from 0 to 10,000 customers [and I was one of them!]
  • Lycos wanted to buy Quote.com out
  • Hunsader got Lycos stock in the buyout and he sold it all out in two weeks in December 1999 [great timing]
  • Then he founded Nanex in 2000
  • Wanted to design the ideal ticker plant, originally called it "Generation Five," with API on top of it
  • 25,000 hours later he was comfortable releasing it to first customer in 2004, called NxCore feed
  • Data Transmission Network (DTN) his partner then and still is
  • No advertising for his NxCore feed
  • Customers are hedge funds, institutional investors, high frequency traders, even the exchanges themselves
  • Working with the NxCore API is a joy 
  • An experienced programmer can quickly learn to get exactly what he wants from the NxCore feed
  • Other data feed providers normalize the data, NxCore doesn't
  • Data compression, data transmission and graphical interface all the important bits
  • "Serial latency cost" 
  • NxCore collects 20 billion data points per day, a petabyte raw
  • 1000 terabytes is a petabyte
  • Data is stored in triplicate in different locations
  • ARCA first place where he noticed penny up and down step patterns, someone testing something
  • Flash Crash the big event: May 6, 2010 ... SIP got crushed that afternoon
  • SEC couldn't even assemble the data to analyze the Flash Crash
  • Nanex could replay the entire day in real-time given their archived data
  • Analyzed the Flash Crash ... went down a rabbit hole from which he still hasn't emerged
  • ZeroHedge linked to the first analysis they posted about Flash Crash, then it all exploded
  • SIP (Security Information Processor) -- consolidated feed, should be the only feed but exchanges sell direct data feeds independently [the bastards]
  • US stock market has two data feeds, one is faster than the other
  • Reg NMS (PDF) brought high frequency trading into being
  • "Electronic trading brought down costs, high frequency trading brought down ethics"
  • High frequency trading is risk-free arbitrage, only possible since the exchanges sell direct data feeds
  • Exchanges collude with HFT by selling them direct data feed, which is faster
  • HFT has a wink-nod relationship with regulators, fined from time to time, no real change happens
  • HFT would be shut down if the regulators had any ethics
  • If there were a central limit order book, HFT wouldn't exist
  • Regulators wanted competition, multiple exchanges, tie it all together with SIP
  • HFT can front-run orders on one exchange and cancel their orders on another exchange given their faster feeds
  • When you talk about spreads, do you mean the spreads narrowest in a second or widest in a second? Can go from 1% to 1 cent in the space of second
  • "Quote-stuffing" is a term Hunsader coined ... Quote-spam
  • You slow down a data feed by quote-stuffing it ... more network traffic, like a tiny DDOS
  • Retail customers all working off the SIP ... HFT ahead of them
  • All about creating latency through quote-stuffing
  • Put noise into the system in order to slow it down
  • Must maintain latency tables ... must ping and test the limits all the time
  • HFT is theft and market-rigging ... visit the Nanex office for two hours and watch them at work in real-time
  • Everyone is a victim of HFT ... a billion paper cuts
  • You see things now, you think it's a bad tick, but it's actually 1000 trades going off, pennying down and back up in a half second
  • SEC says people shouldn't use stop orders anymore
  • Any retail investor who trades at the open is eaten alive
  • The regulators are corrupt, they get wined and dined by the firms they're going to work for when they leave the regulator
  • SEC gave Hunsader a $750,000 whistleblower award
  • The exchanges are the real culprits for selling a faster data feed for huge prices to HFT
  • Larry Leibowitz (brother of comedian Jon Stewart) is CTO at the NYSE
  • Leibowitz made fun of Hunsader as a conpiracy theorist on stage
  • Bill O'Brien has also argued with Hunsader; O'Brien a smooth talker on TV but just a soundbite bullshit artist, has no facts 
  • Exchanges are SROs (self-regulated organizations) ... means they can't be sued
  • Legal immunity exchanges enjoy has really destroyed things, the root of the problem
  • You need someone knowledgeable and with integrity at the SEC, then HFT will go away
  • Sarao being singled out like that [for the Flash Crash] is terrible
  • Hunsader offered to work at SEC for free, won't create any new rules -- offer met with dead silence
  • At least 500 trades within one second, spikes down and up, no net price change -- mini Flash Crashes happen all day long
  • Suckering people with these "poke plays" [as I call them] ... retail can't take advantage of these because they don't execute at all exchanges
  • These mini Flash Crashes never happened before 2007
  • Anyone with a standing stop order is going to get killed these days
  • Tight spreads being claimed by HFT are bogus given the constant mini Flash Crashes
  • People at IEX have integrity
  • All the exchanges' income comes from selling their faster data feeds to a select few
  • www.nanex.net 
  • Twitter: @nanexllc